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		<title>By: Kristy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 03:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished watching, &quot;Jesus Camp.&quot; The movie encouraged me so much in my faith! I have a desire to encourage all my Christian friends to watch this. It doesn&#039;t really matter to me the perspective that the directors of this film took. You see what God wants you to see. I see a woman, Becky Fisher, impassioned for the Lord and being obedient to her call. I see children that are hungry for the Lord. Having been saved only four years ago at the age of 28, I know well that the worlds way is empty.  &#039;Christians&#039; can be quick to cast down anything they are not comfortable with and they often presuppose that they &#039;know the pure truth&#039; of their faith/their religion.  If you know the word, then you know that Jesus said, in Matt 10:34-39 the following: &quot;Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn 
   &quot; &#039;a man against his father, 
      a daughter against her mother, 
   a daughter-in-law against her motherinlaw— 
  a man&#039;s enemies will be the members of his own household.&#039;
&quot;Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.&quot; 
As we mature and grow in our faith, we come not only to know the great love of God, but, also His wrath and His hatred of sin. Laying down our lives for another often means incurring rejection from the world such as Becky Fisher for the soul/life of another. What greater demonstration of love for another then risking rejection to share truth. This is the Truth that will save people from eternity apart from God! I&#039;ve been apart from God. There is nothing worse. I often share and witness to others, not out of fear or indoctrination, but, out of LOVE! It is my love for others and my love for God that propels my &#039;evangelistic&#039; heart as a Christian. 

The Bible says &quot;though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand&quot; (Luke 8:10) An unsaved person without Christ in them, would never understand the stories in this movie. 
If I watched this movie before I was saved, I would have had the world&#039;s perspective and thought they were &#039;crazy.&#039; 

I want the faith of these children. The gifts of the spirit seem to divisive to some, but, why not pray for the gifts, seek for yourself, ask God to reveal the truth about them and let that stand?? This walk is amazing. I know the before and the after. Thank you, Jesus, for the after. 

P.S. Charles Spurgeon said that if you weren&#039;t compelled for others to be saved, then he doubted you were saved at all. Those who are forgiven much.....love much. True Christians are humble in heart, full of live, full of grace and they walk in power (tongues and all...) 

Blessings in Christ our Lord!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished watching, &#8220;Jesus Camp.&#8221; The movie encouraged me so much in my faith! I have a desire to encourage all my Christian friends to watch this. It doesn&#8217;t really matter to me the perspective that the directors of this film took. You see what God wants you to see. I see a woman, Becky Fisher, impassioned for the Lord and being obedient to her call. I see children that are hungry for the Lord. Having been saved only four years ago at the age of 28, I know well that the worlds way is empty.  &#8216;Christians&#8217; can be quick to cast down anything they are not comfortable with and they often presuppose that they &#8216;know the pure truth&#8217; of their faith/their religion.  If you know the word, then you know that Jesus said, in Matt 10:34-39 the following: &#8220;Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn<br />
   &#8221; &#8216;a man against his father,<br />
      a daughter against her mother,<br />
   a daughter-in-law against her motherinlaw—<br />
  a man&#8217;s enemies will be the members of his own household.&#8217;<br />
&#8220;Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.&#8221;<br />
As we mature and grow in our faith, we come not only to know the great love of God, but, also His wrath and His hatred of sin. Laying down our lives for another often means incurring rejection from the world such as Becky Fisher for the soul/life of another. What greater demonstration of love for another then risking rejection to share truth. This is the Truth that will save people from eternity apart from God! I&#8217;ve been apart from God. There is nothing worse. I often share and witness to others, not out of fear or indoctrination, but, out of LOVE! It is my love for others and my love for God that propels my &#8216;evangelistic&#8217; heart as a Christian. </p>
<p>The Bible says &#8220;though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand&#8221; (Luke 8:10) An unsaved person without Christ in them, would never understand the stories in this movie.<br />
If I watched this movie before I was saved, I would have had the world&#8217;s perspective and thought they were &#8216;crazy.&#8217; </p>
<p>I want the faith of these children. The gifts of the spirit seem to divisive to some, but, why not pray for the gifts, seek for yourself, ask God to reveal the truth about them and let that stand?? This walk is amazing. I know the before and the after. Thank you, Jesus, for the after. </p>
<p>P.S. Charles Spurgeon said that if you weren&#8217;t compelled for others to be saved, then he doubted you were saved at all. Those who are forgiven much&#8230;..love much. True Christians are humble in heart, full of live, full of grace and they walk in power (tongues and all&#8230;) </p>
<p>Blessings in Christ our Lord!</p>
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		<title>By: On Blogging &#187; BlogRodent</title>
		<link>http://www.dipshtick.com/2006/09/22/jesus-camp.htm/comment-page-1#comment-227</link>
		<dc:creator>On Blogging &#187; BlogRodent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Next up, a fellow blogger winds up apologizing to Becky Fischer (of Jesus Camp fame) after I defended her on his weblog. Here is what he sent (and also posted publicly): [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rich Tatum</title>
		<link>http://www.dipshtick.com/2006/09/22/jesus-camp.htm/comment-page-1#comment-220</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Tatum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

Thanks so much for your comment and the email you sent me personally to notify me. I think I would&#039;ve found the comment eventually (I subscribe to all my own comments like the ego-surfing blogger I am via coComment), but I really appreciate the honesty and integrity you&#039;ve demonstrated by taking the trouble to notify me personally, and for deciding to apologize to Becky Fischer.

It is an amazingly rare thing to see mere words actually change a person&#039;s opinion and it speaks highly of you that you considered what I wrote, took it at face-value, and decided to change your mind. I&#039;m not sure I can take much credit for it, though, since I only reported what I saw in the film, but perhaps I was also responding to the Spirit&#039;s nudging to check your link out and then to respond.

Thank you, again, for taking the time to think and to respond.

Regards,

Rich
&lt;a href=&quot;http://tatumweb.com/blog/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BlogRodent&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Thanks so much for your comment and the email you sent me personally to notify me. I think I would&#8217;ve found the comment eventually (I subscribe to all my own comments like the ego-surfing blogger I am via coComment), but I really appreciate the honesty and integrity you&#8217;ve demonstrated by taking the trouble to notify me personally, and for deciding to apologize to Becky Fischer.</p>
<p>It is an amazingly rare thing to see mere words actually change a person&#8217;s opinion and it speaks highly of you that you considered what I wrote, took it at face-value, and decided to change your mind. I&#8217;m not sure I can take much credit for it, though, since I only reported what I saw in the film, but perhaps I was also responding to the Spirit&#8217;s nudging to check your link out and then to respond.</p>
<p>Thank you, again, for taking the time to think and to respond.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Rich<br />
<a href="http://tatumweb.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">BlogRodent</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich

Re-reading my post, I guess I realized that I focused my anger and embarassment toward the wrong party.  I was just about to write an update to my post when I received your comments.  Thank you.  I went to your website and read your &lt;a href=&quot;http://tatumweb.com/blog/2006/09/21/jesus-camp-brainwashed/#more-702 rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;long post&lt;/a&gt;.  I need to apologize to Becky Fischer.  My reaction shouldn&#039;t have been directed toward her - it should have been toward those who made the documentary.  I guess, in simplified terms, I am just tired of Christians being made fun of - and I&#039;m tired of Christians putting themselves into a position to be made fun of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich</p>
<p>Re-reading my post, I guess I realized that I focused my anger and embarassment toward the wrong party.  I was just about to write an update to my post when I received your comments.  Thank you.  I went to your website and read your <a href="http://tatumweb.com/blog/2006/09/21/jesus-camp-brainwashed/#more-702 rel="nofollow">long post</a>.  I need to apologize to Becky Fischer.  My reaction shouldn&#8217;t have been directed toward her &#8211; it should have been toward those who made the documentary.  I guess, in simplified terms, I am just tired of Christians being made fun of &#8211; and I&#8217;m tired of Christians putting themselves into a position to be made fun of.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Tatum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Tatum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 03:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

Thanks for linking to my guest commentary over at MinistryToday. I agree with you about the central teaching of the Gospel and the primacy of the great commandment. But I wouldn&#039;t want to cast aspersions at Becky Fischer and claim that she&#039;s &quot;crazy people&quot; or that she totally misses the point. For example, here&#039;s an excerpt, shown in the film, where she talks about sin to the children:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;See, we&#039;re talking this week about how the devil uses tactics to destory our lives. The first tactic that he uses is to tempt you with sin. You see when you first start out as a kid--particularly, cause that&#039;s when all this stuff starts (she holds up a small stuffed lion)--when you start out as a kid sin just doesn&#039;t seem like that  big of a deal. It looks kind of fun in fact, warm and fuzzy. But sin is designed to destroy you. And you feed this baby long enough and he&#039;s going to grow in your life until you got yourself a tiger by the tail ...  (now she swings a large stuffed lion by the tail) ... and you don&#039;t know which end is up and what used to seem very innocent now controls your life.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I frankly don&#039;t have a problem with her description of the insidiousness of sin. And, hopefully, it drove a message home to the kids. I think she&#039;s right.

I also wouldn&#039;t want to claim that Fischer and her staff are not teaching children to love God with all their heart and to love their fellows, too. I see absolutely no evidence of hatred on the part of Fischer or the children anywhere in this documentary. Indeed, the sole source of vitriol in the documentary comes from the Methodist commentator, Mike Papantonio, and his call-in guests.

Now, I&#039;m no apologist for Becky Fischer. I don&#039;t align with her 100% theologically, and I have some concerns about some of her camp&#039;s practices. But I think she loves Jesus, and she truly loves children. The film misrepresents her--as it does all Christians, really. She has her place in the Body and I welcome her. I think she &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; doing a service for the Church. After all, as Paul said, Christ is preached. And the children in her camp come face-to-face with that reality.

Regards,

Rich
&lt;a href=&quot;http://tatumweb.com/blog/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BlogRodent&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>Thanks for linking to my guest commentary over at MinistryToday. I agree with you about the central teaching of the Gospel and the primacy of the great commandment. But I wouldn&#8217;t want to cast aspersions at Becky Fischer and claim that she&#8217;s &#8220;crazy people&#8221; or that she totally misses the point. For example, here&#8217;s an excerpt, shown in the film, where she talks about sin to the children:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;See, we&#8217;re talking this week about how the devil uses tactics to destory our lives. The first tactic that he uses is to tempt you with sin. You see when you first start out as a kid&#8211;particularly, cause that&#8217;s when all this stuff starts (she holds up a small stuffed lion)&#8211;when you start out as a kid sin just doesn&#8217;t seem like that  big of a deal. It looks kind of fun in fact, warm and fuzzy. But sin is designed to destroy you. And you feed this baby long enough and he&#8217;s going to grow in your life until you got yourself a tiger by the tail &#8230;  (now she swings a large stuffed lion by the tail) &#8230; and you don&#8217;t know which end is up and what used to seem very innocent now controls your life.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I frankly don&#8217;t have a problem with her description of the insidiousness of sin. And, hopefully, it drove a message home to the kids. I think she&#8217;s right.</p>
<p>I also wouldn&#8217;t want to claim that Fischer and her staff are not teaching children to love God with all their heart and to love their fellows, too. I see absolutely no evidence of hatred on the part of Fischer or the children anywhere in this documentary. Indeed, the sole source of vitriol in the documentary comes from the Methodist commentator, Mike Papantonio, and his call-in guests.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m no apologist for Becky Fischer. I don&#8217;t align with her 100% theologically, and I have some concerns about some of her camp&#8217;s practices. But I think she loves Jesus, and she truly loves children. The film misrepresents her&#8211;as it does all Christians, really. She has her place in the Body and I welcome her. I think she <i>is</i> doing a service for the Church. After all, as Paul said, Christ is preached. And the children in her camp come face-to-face with that reality.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Rich<br />
<a href="http://tatumweb.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">BlogRodent</a></p>
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